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		<title>Yes We Still Can</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m happy with the election results. Actually, I&#8217;m quite optimistic. Regardless of how well Obama does in office, and I hope he does well, we&#8217;ve shown that the voters of this country do have a voice. By electing our first &#8230; <a href="http://www.carmanavenue.com/yes-we-still-can/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m happy with the election results. Actually, I&#8217;m quite optimistic. Regardless of how well Obama does in office, and I hope he does well, we&#8217;ve shown that the voters of this country do have a voice. By electing our first non-white president, we&#8217;ve already made change.</p>
<p>But some things aren&#8217;t changing fast enough. As of this writing, votes are still being counted in California on Prop 8, the state constitutional amendment to define &#8220;marriage&#8221; as between a man and a woman. If you&#8217;re not familiar with Prop 8 or the <a href="http://www.noonprop8.com/about/fact-vs-fiction" target="_blank">lies that are being used to pass it</a>, please read about it <a href="http://www.noonprop8.com/about" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<blockquote cite="http://twitter.com/NoOnProp8/status/992734393"><h4>The day that should have dawned today is not far off.</h4>
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<p><strong>— Kate Kendell, live in front San Francisco City Hall</strong></p>
<p>As I write this, San Franciscans are holding a <a href="http://twinkle.tapulous.com/index.php?hash=bb2741436b09504370d5770d5a62310b736c43e6" target="_blank">candlelight vigil at City Hall</a>, and are not giving up. I just heard about a rally in West Hollywood, and <a href="http://twitter.com/noonprop8" target="_blank">@NoOnProp8</a> linked to <a href="http://www.noonprop8.com/events" target="_blank">events all over the state</a>. Justin Kownacki thinks <q cite="http://twitter.com/JustinKownacki/status/992718826">Prop 8 will be revoked down the line, when our generation assumes more responsibility in government.</q> I&#8217;m optimistic enough to agree.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.carmanavenue.com/yes-we-still-can/"><em>Click here to view the embedded video.</em></a></p>
<p>But I&#8217;m not going to end this post with optimism. Believe me, I&#8217;d love to — I could end it right here and call it a NaBloPoMo day. But while following the fight against Prop 8, I found a great new (to me) blog called <em><a href="http://web.mac.com/tiggerfitch/Extreme_Measures/Welcome.html" target="_blank">Extreme Measures</a>.</em> In his personal blog, USMC Logistics Officer M. Matthew Phelps wrote <a href="http://web.mac.com/tiggerfitch/Extreme_Measures/Blog/Entries/2008/11/5_It_Aint_Over.html" target="_blank">a post explaining the hypocrisy of Prop 8</a> much better than I can.</p>
<p>In this post, Matthew shares a conversation he had about Prop 8 to <q cite="http://web.mac.com/tiggerfitch/Extreme_Measures/Blog/Entries/2008/11/5_It_Aint_Over.html">shed some light on the type of people who buy into this propaganda</q>. In the conversation, &#8220;Mr. X&#8221;, a supporter of Prop 8, claims that <q cite="http://web.mac.com/tiggerfitch/Extreme_Measures/Blog/Entries/2008/11/5_It_Aint_Over.html">i voted yes on 8 because i do not think that this whole issue should be fought about for a damn title&#8230;I think everyone should have the same rights and the same liberties, but why must everyone have the same fuckin title</q>.</p>
<h4>But when Mr. X is asked if he would accept a different title&#8230;</h4>
<blockquote><p>4:05pm<span style="color: red"><br />
Mr. X</span><br />
well i told you why i voted yes, i cant be any clearer, if someone would fix the civil union situation and create a more legit civil union status&#8230;I would be 100% for that. But I dont understand why we are fighting over a title of marriage.</p>
<p>4:05pm<span style="color: blue"><br />
Matthew</span><br />
would you be willing to get a civil union?</p>
<p>would that say about your relationship what you want it to say?</p>
<p>4:06pm<span style="color: red"><br />
Mr. X</span><br />
does a title of marriage say what you want it to say&#8230;if the rights and liberties are all the same then whats with the title</p>
<p>4:06pm<span style="color: blue"><br />
Matthew</span><br />
i&#8217;m asking you</p>
<p>would you be satisfied if the relationship you had with the person you loved were called a civil union?</p>
<p>4:07pm<span style="color: red"><br />
Mr. X</span><br />
a relationship is a relationship&#8230;.. a title of marriage doesnt make one relationship more of a relationship than another</p>
<p>4:07pm<span style="color: blue"><br />
Matthew</span><br />
if the title isn&#8217;t significant, why should it be reserved for just one group of people?</p>
<p>4:08pm<span style="color: red"><br />
Mr. X</span><br />
im done&#8230; im going for my run</p>
<p>4:08pm<span style="color: blue"><br />
Matthew</span><br />
why do you get to say it&#8217;s OK for you to use it, but not for anyone else?</p>
<p>4:08pm<span style="color: red"><br />
Mr. X</span><br />
i just told you matt, its not about a title for me<br />
i dont give a shit about the title</p>
<p>4:08pm<span style="color: blue"><br />
Matthew</span><br />
then answer the question</p></blockquote>
<h6>**SPOILER ALERT**</h6>
<p>Mr. X doesn&#8217;t answer the question.</p>
<p>I guess he didn&#8217;t get that memo about change.</p>
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